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Re: new 7173 on the way...

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:17 pm
by Birken Vogt
Is the generator running and stopping on 2-wire start command from the transfer switch, or is it sensing N1/N2 and deciding when to start and stop itself?

Re: new 7173 on the way...

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:44 pm
by 7173
Exactly Chris!

The GE-Zenith MX50 control board programming app has selections for Zero thru 5 minutes, in one minute steps, for return to Mains, and engine cool-down. It might work on one minute, but I am going for Zero just to ensure no hiccups.
I have a high degree of confidence this will be working soon.

Martin

Re: new 7173 on the way...

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:49 pm
by 7173
Birken,

The Gen starts/stops using N1/N2 sensing, and it's own built-in timers. the ATS is using it's own controller and timers to control and operate the switch only (no gen control). 2 brains for one system.

Re: new 7173 on the way...

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:36 pm
by Birken Vogt
The obvious question is how did you protect N1/N2 and T1 as they leave the enclosure?

I will reiterate that I would have made this into a 2 wire start controller, which is the right way for a transfer switch that controls the generator.

Re: new 7173 on the way...

Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:47 am
by 7173
N1/N2, and T1 lines are "protected" by the insulation on the wire, the conduit they are in, and 3 new 5A fuses in CC fuseholders I installed in the transfer switch.

The right way is the way that works perfectly, and safely. That may be the way (2 wire conversion) that you are suggesting, or, as Generac almost demands... using their own ATS. There is also the way I am attempting using my existing GE-Zenith ATS that seems to cover proper operation, and safety as well. The ATS still uses it's controller, (it's own) that only operates the switch. The Gen has it's own controller that operates only the Gen, and not the switch. As long as the timing is good between the two, it should be good to go.

Re: new 7173 on the way...

Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2019 2:06 pm
by Birken Vogt
I was just wondering about fuse holders, thanks. Since the ATS did not come with them but you have that covered.

I have seen in the past where they were running 240v sensing over telephone wire with no protection through the rafters of the house.

You are correct about getting the timing right. But one other issue might be utility voltage sensing. The ATS has its own idea of what utility voltage should fall under and the generator has its own idea. So one might actuate without the other.

Re: new 7173 on the way...

Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:57 am
by Chris
I think the 'smart' transfer switches won't do anything until they confirm standby power available, so it may not do anything at all. The other option would be to match the generator's sensing set points to the transfer switch's. It can be done in the dealer menu.

Re: new 7173 on the way...

Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:10 pm
by 7173
Sorry, I thought I made it quite clear... Everything is already hooked up and working perfectly with the exception of the timing on the switch is too long during return to good mains power. Totally a timing issue, and has been resolved in the controller's setup program. Soon it will be tested.

Re: new 7173 on the way...

Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:08 pm
by 7173
OK, the Verdict is in...

Got my newly programmed GE-Zenith ATS controller board back, and installed. Everything working fine. I tried to test it under various conditions of grid going up and down and in various states as that happens. Cannot find an issue. I am sure under very bad power, brown outs, and other conditions it might burp, but I think most systems will anyway. Where there's a drill, there's a way. We'll see.

Thanks for all your suggestions and support along the way!

Martin

Re: new 7173 on the way...

Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:22 am
by Chris
Glad to hear it's working out!